Synopsis Another fun Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. A bit of Phaedo discussion and then a dream exploration with Josh. Highlights Josh's and Jed's Phaedo question at 75A (using the Balboa Translation ). the only way to come through self-realization is through perception. Would you agree all perceptions are identical? (Cebes: Yes) then if this whole world through our sense-perception is set up for us to have self-realization, then what is this in front of us that we are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, NSDRM
Synopsis Another Saturday morning on Zoom with Pierre and members of the NS. Highlights Phaedo and the world of Ideas: Idea-Selves (75A-E) (1) Dream exploration with Regina Dream Texts Regina's Dream Cognitions that are ugly are dangerouse/wrong Resources Plato's Phaedo . Juan and Maria Balboa, translators . See also our NS Reading List . Original Location https://archive.org/details/20210116NSSAT Usage License CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 International License Please Help Support the Project Do you enjoy...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, phaedo, NSDRM
Synopsis We discuss Pleasure and pain in the Phaedo, and then the Republic, and their relation to Courage, the True Lie, and Real Being. At the end, JulieH explores a dream with Pierre. Highlights Discussion of Phaedo and συκκεκραμενη
(‘mixed’) in 59A Phaedo Pleasure and Pain and Addiction Definition of Courage in Book 2 of Plato’s Republic (see our NS Reading List ) What is the relationship between sexuality and philosophy? What is the belief that is so important that...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, phaedo, republic, book02, book04, NSDRM
Synopsis Pierre and the NS continue our discussion on the place of the Ideas/Virtues. This leads us into a discussion of the Phaedo. Why is the dialogue named after him? Highlights Justice Philosophical Midwifery (PMW) as a way of dealing with (understanding) their anger What is it about tracing the consequences that is so important in reflection? How does this idea of Justice relate to Knowledge? Could we explore Courage, Temperance, Wisdom – all the virtues – in the same way we explored...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, republic, chinul, phaedo
Synopsis Pierre leads the Noetic Society Parmenides study group through another session of study. Lately we've been taking a break from the Parmenides, going through Proclus' Theology of Plato (*) instead, in order to see how Proclus lays out the 14 orders of gods implied in the Parmenides. Today we read Theology of Plato Book 6, Chapter 23; Phaedo 58a; Republic Book 10, 619b. From Barbara: We read through and worked through p. 458 and 459 in Chapter 23 of Book 6. Fun was had as usual. For...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, theology-of-plato, phaedo, republic, book06, chap23, book10, proclus
Dialogue(s): phaedo. Sections: 96a-100d Highlights (thanks, SarahW!): - Problem of cause. How do you understand this idea of cause? - Summarize David Hume's view of cause as representative of modern views. Hume concludes that this is not a question that can be answered. Contrast with Plato in the Phaedo. More info: http://noeticsociety.org/
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo
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Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, phaedo, pg1
Stephanos sections: 65d 66a 67b 67c 80a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Bradley, JeffS Gather the Self Together The difference between dropping body from soul, and then dropping soul from Self. The gap between Plato and Socrates' understanding.. Board: Are there missing pieces in his (Plato's) description of Soul separation from body? We will be off tomorrow (Thursday). Next time: we will return to the Parmenides, at the "master argument" section. So might be good to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, phaedo, out of body experience, oobe, pg1
Stephanos sections: 61d 61e 62a 62b 62c 62d 62e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Josh, Eldar, Nancy, JulieH, Bradley, Ronda, Bill, JeffS Do any of these hymns, based on their content, look like something Socrates would write? (see PDFs) We have help from the gods. Cebes' account of Socrates' position. Working from Plato's Phaedo: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Thanks again to Barbara's amazing little recorder (SONY IC RECORDER MP3 4.3.0)!...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, phaedo, pg1
Stephanos sections: we are still in 60b 60c 60d 60e 61a 61b regarding Socrates' myth-making Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, Josh, JulieH, JeffS Pleasure : Pain :: Death : Life (this analogy is contrary to popular opinion) Working from Plato's Phaedo: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
Topics: philosophy, plato, phaedo, NSPRM, pg1
Stephanos sections: 60d 60e 61a 61b
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, phaedo, plg, pg1
Stephanos sections: 60b 60c 60d 60e 61a 61b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Eldar, Alex, Kevin, JeffS Why is Socrates making his own myth (actually, adapting one of Aesop's)? and can we apply that to Phaedo's statement of the Theseus myth? (a really good talk today, though most of us were either tired or in moods, and it took us a while to get on the same page with Pierre) Pierre added the text in blue at the bottom, after the talk was over. Working from Plato's Phaedo: The...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, phaedo, pg1
Stephanos sections: 59a,59b,59c,59d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, Sayon, Alex, JeffS What's the Phaedo all about? Self - αυτοσ (autos) - these are the first and last words of the Phaedo! Why? Why would a well-known Pythagorean like Echecrates start off with that interesting question, that starts the dialogue? What would happen if someone who had an interest in the Parmenides now picked up the Phaedo? (..of course, this is what we're now doing.) What would they...
Topics: philosophy, plato, phaedo, NSPRM, pg1
Stephanos sections (Phaedo): 79c 79d 81c 81d 114b 114c 114d 114e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, Kevin, Josh, JeffS PG's opening question (see diagram): Is the Theseus myth in the beginning of the Phaedo the controlling feature for understanding the dialogue? Same question, now re-formulated as an ANALOGY, with a blank to fill in: IF.. In the Theseus myth (at the beginning of the Phaedo), there are 14 + theseus who go to Crete to destroy the Minotaur, and he returns triumphantly to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, phaedo, pg1, soul
Stephanos sections (Phaedo): 79b-79d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, Alex, JeffS PG: - what did you experience when you were separated from your body? - once separated from the body, did you experience the self and the soul? - how did you know that the self was seeing the soul? - you need to know the mythology at the end of this dialogue, in order to understand the point that he is making. - several places, "soul" is really "auto" (Self) and should be...
Topics: philosophy, plato, parmenides, NSPRM, phaedo, pg1
see also intro talk from previous Friday and round-up talk from following Friday More info: http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, pg1, phaedo, obe, death, NSFRI
Synopsis 2nd in Pierre's “Book of the Dead” series of seminars. Myths of the dead in Plato's Phaedo and Phaedrus dialogues. Materials Seven videos (MPEG4 full size and OGG VIDEO reduced size for tablets and phones and slow Internet connections) Seminar notes and charts (PDF) Original announcement flyer (PDF) Notes If you would like to contribute notes for one or more of the video sessions, please submit them to info@noeticsociety.org -- Thank you. Credits Thanks to Marty for videotaping....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSEM, pg1, phaedo, phaedrus
Dialogue(s): parmenides-poem;phaedo Sections: Noetic Society Dialogue: [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, parmenides-poem, phaedo, parmenides
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 111c-118a [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 107c-112a [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 102d,104c,106a,104d-107b [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 102c-105c [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 99d-101e [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and Stephanus numbers.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 90e-91c,93a-101e [Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info.] Technical Issues Static fading in and out starting at 0:26:43. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 85e,86e,95a Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 75c-d,78b-82b,83b Technical Very scratchy and low volume audio. I did what I could to make it audible. Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 78d,79d,80b,81a Technical A/C hum in audio. Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 70b,75c,76d,78b Technical Slight A/C hum in audio throughout. Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 72e-78c Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 70c-75c Technical Notes Audio good except for small A/C hum. Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 63a-70b Technical Notes Poor audio throughout (low microphone volume and staticy). Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, phaedo
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 57a-62e Credits Thanks to Marty and Yoni for videotaping and editing/production, and to StefanR for title and cataloguing info. More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo
Translation of Plato's dialogue, Phaedo , by Juan and Maria Balboa. Interlinear Greek and English with key words in color, and additional diagrams and quotes supplied by the authors. Also available in hard copy at lulu.com . Primary reference for the Phaedo when used in the Friday night discussions and the Parmenides Study Group discussions with Pierre Grimes, Ph.D. Changelog 2021-Feb-19 : Revision 2021-01-31 uploaded 2020 Aug 31 : Revision 2016-10-06 uploaded
Topics: philosophy, plato, phaedo, out of body experience, obe, astral travel, soul, self, death,...
The Hero Mystic - Personal Exploration: As Theseus and Socrates, so us, too. Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRS, pg1, phaedo
Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRS, pg1, phaedo, obe
On Death and Dying. Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRS, pg1, phaedo
Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRS, pg1, phaedo, myth
Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRS, pg1, phaedo, myth
Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. http://noeticsociety.org
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRS, pg1, phaedo
Pierre leads the Noetic Society members through a weekend seminar studying Plato's Phaedo. At the home of Don and Nancy Flynn 7 Sessions plus one filmed break Reading from The Great Dialogues of Plato, W.H.D. Rouse translation (printing used was most likely ISBN-10: 0451628276 / ISBN-13: 978-0451628275. The page numbers have changed slightly over the years with different printings.) Also using the Loeb Edition, Plato Volume I, Harold North Fowler translation Notes from H Scott Armstrong in the...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSEM, pg1, phaedo, obe, nsbduncan
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 108d-118a Reading from Loeb Edition, Plato Volume I, Harold North Fowler translation Topics Covered, Video Highlights, and Notes 0:00 Pierre diagrams: Given a geography the soul journeys through.... Given that souls differ in their learning (education) and development (nurture)... Then for each stage of learning and development, there must be a parallel geography for the soul to journey through... We have elements of the highest and a complete picture of the lowest...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, nsbduncan
Dialogue(s): Phaedo Sections: 108a-114d Reading from Loeb Edition, Plato Volume I, Harold North Fowler translation Additional Reading from Play of Consciousness , by Swami Muktananda Topics Covered, Video Highlights, and Notes 0:00 Pierre diagrams 109b - e on the board, and the colors of 110c. 6:20 Pierre: To do this right, map it all out, all the relationships, and then you can see what he's doing. 7:30 109b Reading begins. 8:15 'We live around this pond like ants or frogs...' 9:00 See...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, play-of-consciousness, muktananda, nsbduncan
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 107c-115a 5:30 107c If the soul is immortal, if we neglect it..the danger now appears to be terrible. 6:45 114d -e The charm/antidote to this neglect. 8:00 We cannot save the soul in any other way than to make it as good as possible and as wise. 9:00 107d Education and nurture - the soul takes nothing with it through the entire journey but these, what you have learned, your development, your paideia. 10:45 Mapping the journey: two possible guides and four...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, nsbduncan
Dialogue(s): Phaedo Sections: 106a-118a Topics Covered, Video Highlights, and Notes: 5:00 Reading starts at 106a 5:50 106b 'If the immortal is also imperishable, it is impossible for the soul to perish when death comes against it'. 8:00 106d 'God and the' eidos' of life can never perish.' 9:20 106e '...when death comes to a man, his mortal part, it seems, dies, but the immortal part goes away unharmed and undestroyed....our souls will exist somewhere in another world.' 12:00 107d 'The soul...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, nsbduncan
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 99c-105e Topics Covered, Video Highlights, and Notes Introduction: Restructuring the English Language Pierre graphically examines three suffixes: ed, ly, and ness. He challenges the group to find terms that can take all three suffixes without modification or irregularity: Equaled Equally Equalness Steadied Steadily Steadiness 12:40 An imperfect example: The fool, easily fooled, was foolishly foolish. 14:10 A pure inflected language would preserve distinctions....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, nsbduncan
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 99d 99e 100a 100b 100c 100d 100e 101a 101b 101c 101d 101e 102a 102b 102c 102d 102e 103a 103b 103c 103d 103e 104a 104b 104c 104d 104e 105a 105b 105c 105d 105e 107b Topics Covered, Video Highlights, and Notes 3:00 Pierre's questions: What is it in the body that produces illness? What is it in number that makes a number 'odd'? What is it in the body that makes it alive? 6:00 There are 'safe' answers that are not correct according to Socrates, but then there are...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, nsbduncan
Dialogue(s): Phaedo Sections: 92d 92e 93a 93b 93c 93d 93e 94a 94b 94c 94d 94e 95a 95b 95c 95d 95e 96a 96b 96c 96d 96e 97a 97b 97c 97d 97e 98a 98b 98c 98d 98e 99a 99b 99c 99d Reading from Loeb Edition, Plato Volume I, Harold North Fowler translation Topics Covered, Video Highlights, and Notes (Continuing from 1985-02-12 , Cebes and Simmias as Thebans) 1:50 - Reading from Edith Hamilton's Mythology , Chapter 18 The Royal House of Thebes, on Cadmus and Harmonia. 9:00 - Cadmus , his descendents,...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, nsbduncan
Dialogue(s): phaedo Sections: 84c 84d 84e 85a 85b 85c 85d 85e 86a 86b 86c 86d 86e 87a 87b 87c 87d 87e 88a 88b 88c 88d 88e 89a 89b 89c 89d 89e 90a 90b 90c 90d 90e 91a 91b 91c 91d 91e 92a 92b 92c 92d 92e reading from Loeb Edition, Plato Volume I, Harold North Fowler translation [ Amazon ] [online at the Perseus Digital Library ] Reading starts on page 293 Stephanus 84c @ 7:48 minutes into the video (2nd in the 1985 Phaedo sessions. I never did find Session 1 on tape. Perhaps not even recorded....
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, phaedo, nsbduncan